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Friday, December 29, 2006

 



HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY SALVATION!


1John 4:
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether
they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the
world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth
that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and
this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it
cometh; and now it is in the world already.

This passage gives a clear command to true Christians to examine and
question anyone who claims he is a Christian. The opening
sentence plainly says that Christians are not to go around believing
everybody is saved just because he says so. Instead, the Christian
is directed to examine and question people who say they are saved
and such questioning is based on Doctrine. It has been rightly said
that the ongoing battle for the souls of men takes place in the Mind.
And the one and only function of the mind ladies and gentlemen is
the ongoing activity of processing Doctrine. And that includes
everything that goes into and comes out of the mind; whether it's
religious or not!

Everything you learned when you went to school for at least 12
years was all Doctrine. Even when you smoked pot in back of the
school yard.. you were learning and processing Doctrine! And a man's
Doctrine determines how he will live... and die. All who die in
unbiblical false doctrine shall spend eternity in the Lake of Fire,
no matter how much they said "Jesus" in this life!

MANY.....

...will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied
~in thy name~? and ~in thy name~ have cast out devils? and
~in thy name~ done many wonderful works? Mt 7:22
I'll bet lots of people thought these were "godly men" But what does
the Son of God think of them? Next verse,
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: *depart*
from me, ye that work iniquity.

Questioning people's salvation is no fun issue folks!
Especially when the people are friends and loved ones. It's probably
for this reason that most people who claim to be Christians do not
pay any attention to a passage like this. Oh, there is no doubt that
they do when the JW or the Mormon knocks on the door on Sat morning.
But that's where it ends. No one goes around in his circle of
friends and loved ones and questions those who carry a Bible, go to
church and say "Jesus". And especially do they ever have the
audacity to ever, ever question the man who stands in the pulpit! Oh
sure... you can "ask the preacher" any question any time you want
to.. but don't you dare ~examine~ his doctrine in the light of the
Bible. And if you happen to find that what he believes is not found
in Scripture, what should you do..? Sit down, shut up & don't make
waves!
But you see folks, that course of action is in direct
contradiction to the instructions given by the Holy Spirit, who is
the Spirit of Truth, in the Scriptures. To do that is to walk in
direct disobedience to God Himself. No sir...! The Christian is
~commanded~ to examine everybody, even if it means making waves and
becoming a marked man. And believe me you will become a marked man.
You will lose friends and influence people... to call you all kinds
of things like; Judgmental; Ungracious; Arrogant;
Who-are-you-to-judge; and on & on. But you know what folks... read
this next one carefully;

The Son of God testified of the world that its works were evil! John
7:7. And His main target was... Religious people... and especially
those who were Religious Leaders. Why do you think they ended up
putting Him on the cross?

The Greek word "prove" in verse 1 is the verb dokimazo~
dok-im-ad'-zo. It means;
1) to test, examine, prove, scrutinise (to see whether a thing is
genuine or not), as metals.
2) to recognise as genuine after examination, to approve, deem
worthy.
It is derived from the noun form dokimos dok'-ee-mos which
means;
1) accepted, particularly of coins and money.
2) accepted, pleasing, acceptable.

There is a negative form; a-dokimos; the 'a' in front of the word is
called in Greek an 'alpha privative' which simply means that when
the Greek letter 'alpha' or 'a' is put in front of a word it negates
the meaning. In English we have the prefix 'un' so you might have a
word like... unsportsman.. [like conduct, as in football]. The Greek
 word a-dokimos means;
1) not standing the test, not approved.
1a) properly used of metals and coins.
2) that which does not prove itself such as it ought.
2a) unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate.

This word study teaches that when Christians examine people who say
they are saved what they are doing is determining whether or not
their Doctrine is acceptable based on the standard of the Bible;
the word of God. And if it is discovered that a person is holding to
false doctrine the Christian then points that out and instructs the
person to repent of his false doctrine. If the person repents, then
thou hast gained a brother. A prime example is Peter and Barnabas in
the book of Galatians. They were condoning both false doctrine and
those who were bringing it and Paul issued the strongest rebuke he
could by saying these people were under the curse of God! Gal 1:6-9.
The result was that Peter, Barnabas and all true believers
recognized their sin and repented.

But if he does not repent, then what does that tell us about the
person's doctrine. It tells us that his doctrine is UNapproved
according to the Scriptures. It tells us that his doctrine is the
doctrine of the Reprobate! And so we have such passages as;

Ro 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate [a-dokimos] mind, to
do those things which are not convenient;

These people were guilty of.. guess what? They were surpressing the
truth in unrighteousness, verse 18, which is exactly what people do
when they persist in their false doctrine.

Those who hold to false doctrine indeed "do not like to retain God
in their knowledge" and therefore are on extremely dangerous ground
for if they continue in their false doctrine the True and Living God
might just give them over to the fullness of a reprobate mind..
which means they will be ~sealed~ in their doom! And if you don't
think God will do this to people who say "Jesus" and claim to
believe in Him then read this next passage with sobriety;

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong
delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but
had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You will notice that the opposite of having pleasure in
unrighteousness is belief of the truth. Therefore the having
pleasure in unrighteousness means abiding in false doctrine; that
which is not of the truth. Another...

2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these
also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate [a-dokimos]
concerning the faith.
This one shows that those who persist in their false doctrine and
resist the truth are men of corrupt minds and reprobate [a-dokimos]
concerning the faith. This is shown by the fact that they resist the
truth and therefore persist in their false doctrine. Again this
demonstrates that Doctrine held by the Mind is a Vital issue.
Another...

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they
deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good
work reprobate [a-dokimos].

This verse shows that the condition is found right within the
confines of Biblical religion. That means people who claim to be
Christians! They are considered by others as such "godly people".
But you see folks, godliness and false doctrine are a Deadly
mixture. Many people are judged to be 'godly' by unbiblical
standards. Men are judged to be 'godly' by how much Scripture they
know; or how 'powerfully' they preach, or how intently they pray.
But who do you know that judges godliness based on what doctrine a
man believes? No one does that.. except radicals like me!... and the
Savior! But this is why John wrote what he did in 1John 4.

These are sobering passages ladies and gentlemen. The
instruction to true Christians in all this is clear. Whenever we
discover that people who say they are saved, and who we even thought
they were saved,... whenever we discover that their Doctrine is not
in accord with the word of God... and they refuse to acknowledge and
repent, true Christians are to have no religious fellowship with
them. And why not? Because, according to this passage in 1John 4,
such people are not of God. It matters not how much they quote the
Bible, how much they go to church, how much they "witness", or
preach, or pray, or how many Bible schools they went to, or how
"godly" they appear to be in the eyes of men! In all of this...
NOTHING matters except what doctrine they believe. And the Holy
Spirit testifies that if their doctrine is not according to
Scriptures they are not of God. Rather they are of the spirit of
anti-christ! And folks... I did not write that. The Holy Spirit of
Truth wrote it thru the pen of the Apostle John and HE says...
"every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is
the spirit of the antichrist,".
 Posted 12/29/2006 4:24 PM - 76 Views - 4 eProps - 3 comments

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Hey Jim,

I went over your 12/29 entry, but how do I know you are godly except by what you write about yourself. A self witness is not always the most dependable witness. Anyone with digits and a type writer can type tomes about himself and include scripture verses.

I do not appreciate the attacks and accusations you make against my friend Chet and would urge to cease and desist.

Sure he doesn't have all of the " theology" correct, but niether do you, even I lack somewhat in this area, but what he does have is; a kindness and gentleness that bespeaks the indwelling Christ. Furthermore I have witnessed a gentle brokeness of spirit, which frankly sir you seem to be quite deficient of, for all I can see are your words which are barbs of condemnation, while justifying yourself.

I've witnessed that dear soldier in the midst of suffering and heartache, loss and distress of spirit, but never reacting the way the world would, but rather humbling himself before the One that dwells in resplendence.

Frankly Jim, I'm begining to lose patience with you and the One that watches over His people has caught your attention and He is very dangerous when it comes to his little ones.

I have more to say on this matter at another time, but I want the attacks on my friend to cease!!

                                                                                   Maridina

Posted 12/30/2006 6:37 AM by errolmartins - reply

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Hi Jim Kirby,

      First let me say you don't have to be so formal when adressing me, though I like your manners. Second, the font size is very hard to read, you can change this by going to edit, then highlight the area you want to change, then click on a font size, say 4, and click on save changes.

      I still think you are off base here. Testing the spirits has to do with those who were bringing a word from the Lord, weather or not you believe in cessation is not the issue here so let me continue. If a prophet came to our church meeting and said "Thus sayeth the Lord..." how are we to know if what he is bringing to the table is true? We test the spirits by the verses at hand that you mentioned. If the prophet confesses Jesus is Lord, (no one can say this except by the Holy Spirit 1 Cor.12:3), if the prophet confesses that Jesus is God and has come in the flesh.

       Yes, I agree the end result will be the same, meaning if we find out he is a false prophet, then we know he is not saved. Yes I agree we can examine doctrine, and look for fruit, but your missapplying 1 John 4 which deals with the spirit at work behind the person.

                                                                                        Mike

Posted 12/31/2006 6:58 AM by IrishKungerod - reply

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Hello Mike;

Concerning my paper on judging salvation you said...

"I still think you are off base here. Testing the spirits has to do with those who were bringing a word from the Lord, weather or not you believe in cessation is not the issue here so let me continue. If a prophet came to our church meeting and said "Thus sayeth the Lord..." how are we to know if what he is bringing to the table is true? We test the spirits by the verses at hand that you mentioned. If the prophet confesses Jesus is Lord, (no one can say this except by the Holy Spirit 1 Cor.12:3), if the prophet confesses that Jesus is God and has come in the flesh."

As true as that is the passage is not limited to "prophets" and those who were "bringing a word from the Lord". Notice it says... believe not ~every~ spirit. Moreover the word for 'confess' does not mean "bring a word from the Lord" or proclaim or any such thing. It means...

1) to say the same thing as another, i.e. to agree with, assent
2) to concede
2a) not to refuse, to promise
2b) not to deny
2b1) to confess
2b2) declare
2b3) to confess, i.e. to admit or declare one’s self guilty of what one is accused of
3) to profess
3a) to declare openly, speak out freely
3b) to profess one’s self the worshipper of one
4) to praise, celebrate
Greek lexicon..

Therefore it is talking about ~anybody~ who confesses the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is supported by other passages such as...

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

That's a clear instruction that applies to anybody who says he's a Christian, not just those who claim to bring a word from the Lord.
That -requires- an examination and judgment based on doctrine.
Also...

2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

The only way one can obey this instruction is to know who are and who are not unbelievers and that -requires- examining and judging and Biblical judgment is based on both life and Doctrine.

There's much more but I'll leave you to consider these for now. Take care.
Posted 12/31/2006 5:40 PM by TalkingBones - reply


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